Recently there was another conversation regarding the use of salt in freshwater tanks.
I have used it for the last 12-15 months in my tanks. I reduced it from 1 tea spoon/10 litres to 2 tea spoons/30 litres about 6 months ago. I further reduced it to 1 tea spoon/30 litres around a month ago.
The conversation took place a week or two ago.
Since then, I thought I'd give it a shot at going back to no added salt...late last week, I had one female develop dropsy and keel over. A few days later, a prize male showed some lethargy, which developed into dropsy within 12 hours and he was gone. Yesterday a female lined up for a F2 spawn went the same way even quicker.
My tanks are far from salt free just yet, as I'm using the non-salted water for the water changes - so my fish are being slowly adapted back to no salt. I don't think it's the salt that caused the issue, nor do I think it is the lack of salt in the new water. It's Murphy's law - you talk about something and defend your stance and...bang...something kicks you in the softest of places to remind you of your limited understanding of things.
Then my largest fry from my DTHMPK spawn keels over...
Every now and then, the Fishroom is the last place I want to be...
But it doesn't matter how long you've been doing this, or how much you know and take care of your piscatorial charges...something, somewhere, sometime, will jump up and bite you.
Be supportive of others, and don't think your way is the only way to do things. What works for you, works for you...until it doesn't.
Good luck with your spawns :)
One fish-keepers journey through the world of Betta
Thursday, 16 October 2014
Thursday, 25 September 2014
White Out With A Chance Of Blackness
Spawn Updates
The white Double-Tail Halfmoon Plakats are going okay. As is usual for my spawns, they are starting to slip behind the accepted growth rate and week three is where I normally have a bit of a "wheat from Chaff" die off period. That is to say, by my way of thinking, I tend to lose quite a few of the weaker ones.
This time round I'm not particularly concerned. I started with a ridiculously high number of fry and there is still more than enough left for me to deal with.
I did manage to get the first pic showing their caudal lobes tonight...even though the rest of the fry is still blurry...another week or two till my camera picks them up well.
My second spawn tank is also full of light bodies, with the F2 of my recessive CTPK line. I started with even more fry in this spawn than the DTHMPK spawn above. They are also going well although a little behind the growth curve and also going through the Wheat from Chaff phase. This photo was taken pre-feed, hence the slightly gaunt look. I assure you, they all have orange bellies now :)
And last but not least, the Black Orchid CTPK F2 spawn...Looks to be around 50 or so that will make it to maturity. There doesn't look to be a high ratio of males in this spawn again...mostly female in F1 and it will be mostly girls again it seems.
The first male looked nice but lacked almost every trait I was trying to improve...I was worried.
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As you can see, nice caudal spread, decent dorsal spread, anal is too long and a little too much hump in the top line...and bugger all webbing reduction. Feisty fella though...
But tonight I found another male who is just about ready to be jarred...
There will be a better photo once he's been jarred and a chance at a mirror, but his top line is better, webbing reduction is better, anal is more in balance...a better all round fish for my goals.
No more spawns planned till January - but I have two pairs ready and waiting to go when these spawn tanks become free and the little fellas have grown to juvies...well, at least two pairs ;)
The white Double-Tail Halfmoon Plakats are going okay. As is usual for my spawns, they are starting to slip behind the accepted growth rate and week three is where I normally have a bit of a "wheat from Chaff" die off period. That is to say, by my way of thinking, I tend to lose quite a few of the weaker ones.
This time round I'm not particularly concerned. I started with a ridiculously high number of fry and there is still more than enough left for me to deal with.
I did manage to get the first pic showing their caudal lobes tonight...even though the rest of the fry is still blurry...another week or two till my camera picks them up well.
My second spawn tank is also full of light bodies, with the F2 of my recessive CTPK line. I started with even more fry in this spawn than the DTHMPK spawn above. They are also going well although a little behind the growth curve and also going through the Wheat from Chaff phase. This photo was taken pre-feed, hence the slightly gaunt look. I assure you, they all have orange bellies now :)
And last but not least, the Black Orchid CTPK F2 spawn...Looks to be around 50 or so that will make it to maturity. There doesn't look to be a high ratio of males in this spawn again...mostly female in F1 and it will be mostly girls again it seems.
The first male looked nice but lacked almost every trait I was trying to improve...I was worried.
As you can see, nice caudal spread, decent dorsal spread, anal is too long and a little too much hump in the top line...and bugger all webbing reduction. Feisty fella though...
But tonight I found another male who is just about ready to be jarred...
There will be a better photo once he's been jarred and a chance at a mirror, but his top line is better, webbing reduction is better, anal is more in balance...a better all round fish for my goals.
No more spawns planned till January - but I have two pairs ready and waiting to go when these spawn tanks become free and the little fellas have grown to juvies...well, at least two pairs ;)
Tuesday, 9 September 2014
Fry Everywhere
It's been over a month since I last updated this blog - smack my wrist...bad blogger!
Got a fair bit to report on now :)
The accidental spawn was culled due to an outbreak of Swim Bladder Disorder. The poor fellas had a rough start and never recovered.
But, that spawn was replaced by two others who have more than made up for the false start to breeding season.
The players
Many of you know that I've been after a white pair of DTHMPK for a while now. Through the graciousness of SSS's Yolandi, I managed to purchase a pair from Indonesia. As per usual, they were imported through FishChick in QLD and arrived in excellent condition.
Male
Female
Result = a big spawn of approximately 200+ fry. Unfortunately my camera doesn't have a macro lens and so photographing the little blighters is futile...
At the same time, I setup the following pair:
Male
Female
These are my F1 choices from my recessive line of CTPK. They carry the Non-Red (nr1), Cambodian (c), and Opaque (Op) genes (among others). The goal here is to get back yellow, Opaque and Cambodians to have three separate recessive lines moving forward. These separate lines will then get crossed with fry from the DTHMPK line above. Then, as required, they will get crossed into my green and black orchid lines, and future lines I have planned.
The result (please forgive the photography - like I said, no macro lens)
This is just one corner of the spawn tank. The fry are everywhere! I estimate 400+ - easily the biggest spawn I've ever had.
BBS production has increased accordingly with a new BBS hatchery created. I'll post pictures of that once it's fully operational. For father's day I was also lucky enough to get a mini fridge with a good size freezer compartment. I need to move some things around but this will be installed into the Fishroom by this weekend (no more traipsing back and forward from the kitchen - yay!) - photos to come.
As always, both spawns were started on Vinegar Eels for the first few days and then BBS. Both are now solely on BBS, three or four times a day. Water is being added every second day to fill the spawn tank, with a water change being done every day in between (alternated between the two tanks - so one gets extra water while I do a change on the other, and then the following day I alternate).
This time round, my spawn tanks were very basic. A 20L tank from Target with 8L of IAL treated water, a small sponge filter, a half polystyrene cup (not taped to the glass) and a heater. Yep - no plant anywhere in sight. Only the sponge and the heater for the girl to hide behind.
Both girls were still introduced in a separate container, and then into a clear tube - but on release, they stayed in there respective tanks til they had done the deed (two and a half days - no tubing overnight). Both boys were very gentle, so they sustained no damage other than a nip here or there.
Both boys tended their eggs well. Red built a huge nest while the DT had virtually no nest to speak of. Both males were removed once the fry started free swimming.
After advice from a well respected source, I'll be moving them to bigger digs in two-three weeks time, and then probably splitting the spawns even further down the track.
There will be no more spawns till around January - I think I've got enough on my plate...
Got a fair bit to report on now :)
The accidental spawn was culled due to an outbreak of Swim Bladder Disorder. The poor fellas had a rough start and never recovered.
But, that spawn was replaced by two others who have more than made up for the false start to breeding season.
The players
Many of you know that I've been after a white pair of DTHMPK for a while now. Through the graciousness of SSS's Yolandi, I managed to purchase a pair from Indonesia. As per usual, they were imported through FishChick in QLD and arrived in excellent condition.
Male
Result = a big spawn of approximately 200+ fry. Unfortunately my camera doesn't have a macro lens and so photographing the little blighters is futile...
At the same time, I setup the following pair:
Male
These are my F1 choices from my recessive line of CTPK. They carry the Non-Red (nr1), Cambodian (c), and Opaque (Op) genes (among others). The goal here is to get back yellow, Opaque and Cambodians to have three separate recessive lines moving forward. These separate lines will then get crossed with fry from the DTHMPK line above. Then, as required, they will get crossed into my green and black orchid lines, and future lines I have planned.
The result (please forgive the photography - like I said, no macro lens)
This is just one corner of the spawn tank. The fry are everywhere! I estimate 400+ - easily the biggest spawn I've ever had.
BBS production has increased accordingly with a new BBS hatchery created. I'll post pictures of that once it's fully operational. For father's day I was also lucky enough to get a mini fridge with a good size freezer compartment. I need to move some things around but this will be installed into the Fishroom by this weekend (no more traipsing back and forward from the kitchen - yay!) - photos to come.
As always, both spawns were started on Vinegar Eels for the first few days and then BBS. Both are now solely on BBS, three or four times a day. Water is being added every second day to fill the spawn tank, with a water change being done every day in between (alternated between the two tanks - so one gets extra water while I do a change on the other, and then the following day I alternate).
This time round, my spawn tanks were very basic. A 20L tank from Target with 8L of IAL treated water, a small sponge filter, a half polystyrene cup (not taped to the glass) and a heater. Yep - no plant anywhere in sight. Only the sponge and the heater for the girl to hide behind.
Both girls were still introduced in a separate container, and then into a clear tube - but on release, they stayed in there respective tanks til they had done the deed (two and a half days - no tubing overnight). Both boys were very gentle, so they sustained no damage other than a nip here or there.
Both boys tended their eggs well. Red built a huge nest while the DT had virtually no nest to speak of. Both males were removed once the fry started free swimming.
After advice from a well respected source, I'll be moving them to bigger digs in two-three weeks time, and then probably splitting the spawns even further down the track.
There will be no more spawns till around January - I think I've got enough on my plate...
Wednesday, 6 August 2014
Where Am I?
Some of you may have noticed my absence around the place, in the Betta Community Facebook pages and in the AusAqua Forum - it's not because I'm withdrawing from breeding my fish.
To be perfectly honest, I'm over the politics involved in the Australian Betta Community. I have friends in Betta Australis, Sydney Splendens Society, and in Victoria Betta. Unfortunately, it means I hear all sorts of things from all sides of the topics under dispute, from a wide range of people. It saddens me and frustrates me that people cant work together to come to an equitable solution for the benefit of the community as a whole. I am not pointing the finger at any one individual or group - but I'll not get into expressing my opinions here. That's not what this post, or indeed this forum, is for.
So, to maintain my love of the fish, and not get trapped in arguments with people over topics that aren't life threatening, I've decided to simply withdraw from interaction in the scene, at least for the short term.
I am still breeding, and I'm still contactable if anyone wants to talk about the fish, but I don't want to know anymore about the clubs/chapters, or the parent organisations. I will continue to watch from afar how the scene develops.
When my current memberships of the different organisations run their course, I wont be renewing them - with anyone. This means I wont be able to show my fish - so be it...I was never in this to show fish or win ribbons or trophies - the idea that I can create the fish I want, fascinated me -> still does, so I will continue to breed. Eventually, I may even offer some up for sale, but for now, and probably for the next year or so, I'll be very quietly working away in my own fish room.
I will interact occasionally on the forum, the AusAqua FB page, and on the CTPK Project Australia page. I will answer any questions or requests made to my FB page.
I will update this blog on occasion when I have something to report from the fish room.
I wish everyone nothing but success with their fish.
To be perfectly honest, I'm over the politics involved in the Australian Betta Community. I have friends in Betta Australis, Sydney Splendens Society, and in Victoria Betta. Unfortunately, it means I hear all sorts of things from all sides of the topics under dispute, from a wide range of people. It saddens me and frustrates me that people cant work together to come to an equitable solution for the benefit of the community as a whole. I am not pointing the finger at any one individual or group - but I'll not get into expressing my opinions here. That's not what this post, or indeed this forum, is for.
So, to maintain my love of the fish, and not get trapped in arguments with people over topics that aren't life threatening, I've decided to simply withdraw from interaction in the scene, at least for the short term.
I am still breeding, and I'm still contactable if anyone wants to talk about the fish, but I don't want to know anymore about the clubs/chapters, or the parent organisations. I will continue to watch from afar how the scene develops.
When my current memberships of the different organisations run their course, I wont be renewing them - with anyone. This means I wont be able to show my fish - so be it...I was never in this to show fish or win ribbons or trophies - the idea that I can create the fish I want, fascinated me -> still does, so I will continue to breed. Eventually, I may even offer some up for sale, but for now, and probably for the next year or so, I'll be very quietly working away in my own fish room.
I will interact occasionally on the forum, the AusAqua FB page, and on the CTPK Project Australia page. I will answer any questions or requests made to my FB page.
I will update this blog on occasion when I have something to report from the fish room.
I wish everyone nothing but success with their fish.
Sunday, 27 July 2014
So Much For The Off-Season
Last weekend, I think, I setup two spawns after nearly ten days of conditioning my pairs.
I think I might have to come up with some names for my lines....
Anyway, as reported on my last post, the gold male ate his eggs. The green pair just didn't seem interested. Truth be told, I'm a little more blasé about the actual spawning process now-a-days. I condition, I introduce, and then I let them be once I think they've shown enough interest in each other.
So, every time I looked in on the green pair, she was on one side of the tank, he was on the other. Occasionally he'd go over and try to encourage her back to his pitiful nest. At no time did I see her acting submissive or hiding, and at no time did I see him trying to warn her away from the nest.
I checked the nest for three days, and saw nothing to indicate success, and the behaviour of the pair hadn't changed, so I called it a failure, fished the girl out, and went about my business a little disheartened. It was here I decided a I needed a break and implemented an off-season.
Today I thought it was past time I did a little tank maintenance, so I started doing some cleaning and water changes. Last on my list was the failed spawn tank, which the male was still in.
I began siphoning, and something moved, so I moved the siphon over to get it, and it moved again. I thought it was the biggest infusoria I'd ever seen, or maybe I's begun cultivating larger single cell organisms - I had been pretty slack in cleaning this tank up. There was hubris all over the bottom, I'd been feeding the male pellets each night, and I'd not done a clean since I'd removed the female.
I got up closer to the tank with my magnifying specs on...and there was fry in there....quite a few...
The tank has now been very carefully siphoned, new water, and BBS added.
These guys are very active, but a little on the small side, but then I have no idea when they were actually hatched. If they are a week old, then they're not so small, if closing in on two weeks, then maybe a touch behind where they should be. Plenty of BBS in there now though so they should catch up fairly quick.
I now have a spawn of Black Orchid F2's in the grow out, and now this Green F2 in the spawn tank...the early morning feeds continue then for the foreseeable future :(
Isn't Mother Nature grand...
- Gold HMPK pair
Female
The egg-eater Male
- F1 of the CTPK line Green II
He's marbled a little since this photo with a lot more black now showing in his fins
She's not changes at all
I think I might have to come up with some names for my lines....
Anyway, as reported on my last post, the gold male ate his eggs. The green pair just didn't seem interested. Truth be told, I'm a little more blasé about the actual spawning process now-a-days. I condition, I introduce, and then I let them be once I think they've shown enough interest in each other.
So, every time I looked in on the green pair, she was on one side of the tank, he was on the other. Occasionally he'd go over and try to encourage her back to his pitiful nest. At no time did I see her acting submissive or hiding, and at no time did I see him trying to warn her away from the nest.
I checked the nest for three days, and saw nothing to indicate success, and the behaviour of the pair hadn't changed, so I called it a failure, fished the girl out, and went about my business a little disheartened. It was here I decided a I needed a break and implemented an off-season.
Today I thought it was past time I did a little tank maintenance, so I started doing some cleaning and water changes. Last on my list was the failed spawn tank, which the male was still in.
I began siphoning, and something moved, so I moved the siphon over to get it, and it moved again. I thought it was the biggest infusoria I'd ever seen, or maybe I's begun cultivating larger single cell organisms - I had been pretty slack in cleaning this tank up. There was hubris all over the bottom, I'd been feeding the male pellets each night, and I'd not done a clean since I'd removed the female.
I got up closer to the tank with my magnifying specs on...and there was fry in there....quite a few...
The tank has now been very carefully siphoned, new water, and BBS added.
These guys are very active, but a little on the small side, but then I have no idea when they were actually hatched. If they are a week old, then they're not so small, if closing in on two weeks, then maybe a touch behind where they should be. Plenty of BBS in there now though so they should catch up fairly quick.
I now have a spawn of Black Orchid F2's in the grow out, and now this Green F2 in the spawn tank...the early morning feeds continue then for the foreseeable future :(
Isn't Mother Nature grand...
Thursday, 24 July 2014
It's The Off Season
Weather in Adelaide is getting a bit on the cold side of late, and hampering not only BBS hatching times, and the ability to keep a female in a separate tank during the introduction period, but also my ability to bend as well as I need to...and the fact that my gold HMPK pair spawned and then the male ate all the eggs...has led me to require an off season.
So, no more spawns for the time being. I'm thinking nothing till late September, when the weather should be well and truly warming up, maybe not even till October if need be.
Yes, it will slow down all the breeding programs I've got on the go, and all the lines waiting to be done, but so be it. I need some down time as well. I've been at this, flat chat, for a little over a year, so before I just burn out, I think a rest will do me good.
I'm not going away. I'm not packing it in. Just pressing pause on the spawns for a month or two.
I'm thinking June through to the end of August will work nicely for me as a break from now on...actually, I'm quite looking forward to sleeping in occasionally instead of getting up everyday to feed fry...and, as I wont be running so many tanks, there should be a drop in the electricity bill :)
This is not the end of posting on this blog during this time either. I'm expecting a new arrival soon, and then I'll post some pics of what is currently in the fish room, plans for the next 9 months once the on-season returns :)
So, no more spawns for the time being. I'm thinking nothing till late September, when the weather should be well and truly warming up, maybe not even till October if need be.
Yes, it will slow down all the breeding programs I've got on the go, and all the lines waiting to be done, but so be it. I need some down time as well. I've been at this, flat chat, for a little over a year, so before I just burn out, I think a rest will do me good.
I'm not going away. I'm not packing it in. Just pressing pause on the spawns for a month or two.
I'm thinking June through to the end of August will work nicely for me as a break from now on...actually, I'm quite looking forward to sleeping in occasionally instead of getting up everyday to feed fry...and, as I wont be running so many tanks, there should be a drop in the electricity bill :)
This is not the end of posting on this blog during this time either. I'm expecting a new arrival soon, and then I'll post some pics of what is currently in the fish room, plans for the next 9 months once the on-season returns :)
Tuesday, 8 July 2014
It's All About The Numbers
Since I gave away my first two spawns of F1 CTPK, I've had a rethink on a number of fronts.
I'll not be giving away anymore fish, unless it's in special circumstances. I'll be happy to trade or to have them purchased from me, but I don't think I'll be actively offering them up for sale in the short term. If you're after something specific, I'm happy to take requests and if I can help, I'd be happy to sell/trade to you the specimen(s) in question.
When I start creating good quality CTPK, then I will start actively offering them for sale...and that's still a long way away.
Next number I figured out the other day...while I was doing a water change on an F2 spawn...a 1 in 8 chance...that is the possibility in getting a male F2 CTPK out of a spawn.
The long fin trait is dominant over the short fin trait, so we can work a simple punnet square to work out the approximate chances of getting plakats (sf) back from a F1 sibling pair.
Long Fin (Lf)
Short Fin (sf)
Fish from a cross of a long fin CT and a short fin HM = F1 spawn carrying both LF and SF genes. Crossing a sibling pair from this F1 spawn gives us Lfsf x Lfsf:
x Lf sf
Lf LfLf Lfsf
sf Lfsf sfsf
25% (or 1 in 4) LfLf = Long fin
50% (or 1 in 2) Lfsf = long or mid-fin
25% (or 1 in 4) sfsf = short fin - these are the plakats we're after for the CTPK line.
Of course, we need a male and a female, so we have a 25% chance of getting a short fin, but then there's a 50/50 chance that it is either male or female (at least until someone figures out what is behind male or female heavy spawns).
So things fit nicely into all these number games, we then say that the 50/50 chance will play out evenly in the long run, resulting in every second short fin being of the opposite sex. Naturally, this is where Mother Nature steps in and laughs at our carefully prepared punnet squares and throws up female heavy spawns, or only female short fins, or the opposite with male heavy spawns or only male plakats.
Maths isn't a particularly strong point of mine, and genetic punnet squares are not as simple as the one I've depicted above. There is the background of the fish, the environment, the preparation, then there's the caring for the fry - cant say I know many people who have never lost a fry during the 3-8 months it takes to get them to maturity! What if the only fry lost are the short fins...or maybe only the male short fins? What if you only get a small spawn of 10-15 fry? You need 16 to better your chances of getting two short fin fish, let alone the astronomical odds of those two being a perfect breeding pair.
This is where time and patience come into play. Creating a CTPK line from scratch (HMPK x long fin CT) is difficult. You may have to spawn the same pair a couple of times, or cross an offspring back to a parent, or cross over to another line, or introduce another HMPK to increase the odds of getting short fin at the cost of webbing reduction. Lots of options, but what's right for the situation your line is in?
And what do you do with all these less than ideal fish you're producing looking for the elusive plakats with some form of webbing reduction? If you sell all of them off into the Betta community then you'll recover some of your costs...but what happens when you finally get to the quality CTPK specimens you've always been after....everyone else already has their/your previous spawns building up to the arrival of your quality fish....who will want, or have the room, for your newly discovered fish-par-excellence? Pet shops will only give you so much for them, and usually it's only in store credit.
So, I've come to the conclusion I'm not doing it anymore - selling (or giving away) less than quality fish, I mean. Like I said before, if you want something, then feel free to ask - if I can help I will, but I'll not advertise another fish for sale until I have some quality fish to sell...which should be right about the time I'm ready to show!
Now I need to experiment and find the best way to make home-made Oil of Cloves...
I'll not be giving away anymore fish, unless it's in special circumstances. I'll be happy to trade or to have them purchased from me, but I don't think I'll be actively offering them up for sale in the short term. If you're after something specific, I'm happy to take requests and if I can help, I'd be happy to sell/trade to you the specimen(s) in question.
When I start creating good quality CTPK, then I will start actively offering them for sale...and that's still a long way away.
Next number I figured out the other day...while I was doing a water change on an F2 spawn...a 1 in 8 chance...that is the possibility in getting a male F2 CTPK out of a spawn.
The long fin trait is dominant over the short fin trait, so we can work a simple punnet square to work out the approximate chances of getting plakats (sf) back from a F1 sibling pair.
Long Fin (Lf)
Short Fin (sf)
Fish from a cross of a long fin CT and a short fin HM = F1 spawn carrying both LF and SF genes. Crossing a sibling pair from this F1 spawn gives us Lfsf x Lfsf:
x Lf sf
Lf LfLf Lfsf
sf Lfsf sfsf
25% (or 1 in 4) LfLf = Long fin
50% (or 1 in 2) Lfsf = long or mid-fin
25% (or 1 in 4) sfsf = short fin - these are the plakats we're after for the CTPK line.
Of course, we need a male and a female, so we have a 25% chance of getting a short fin, but then there's a 50/50 chance that it is either male or female (at least until someone figures out what is behind male or female heavy spawns).
So things fit nicely into all these number games, we then say that the 50/50 chance will play out evenly in the long run, resulting in every second short fin being of the opposite sex. Naturally, this is where Mother Nature steps in and laughs at our carefully prepared punnet squares and throws up female heavy spawns, or only female short fins, or the opposite with male heavy spawns or only male plakats.
Maths isn't a particularly strong point of mine, and genetic punnet squares are not as simple as the one I've depicted above. There is the background of the fish, the environment, the preparation, then there's the caring for the fry - cant say I know many people who have never lost a fry during the 3-8 months it takes to get them to maturity! What if the only fry lost are the short fins...or maybe only the male short fins? What if you only get a small spawn of 10-15 fry? You need 16 to better your chances of getting two short fin fish, let alone the astronomical odds of those two being a perfect breeding pair.
This is where time and patience come into play. Creating a CTPK line from scratch (HMPK x long fin CT) is difficult. You may have to spawn the same pair a couple of times, or cross an offspring back to a parent, or cross over to another line, or introduce another HMPK to increase the odds of getting short fin at the cost of webbing reduction. Lots of options, but what's right for the situation your line is in?
And what do you do with all these less than ideal fish you're producing looking for the elusive plakats with some form of webbing reduction? If you sell all of them off into the Betta community then you'll recover some of your costs...but what happens when you finally get to the quality CTPK specimens you've always been after....everyone else already has their/your previous spawns building up to the arrival of your quality fish....who will want, or have the room, for your newly discovered fish-par-excellence? Pet shops will only give you so much for them, and usually it's only in store credit.
So, I've come to the conclusion I'm not doing it anymore - selling (or giving away) less than quality fish, I mean. Like I said before, if you want something, then feel free to ask - if I can help I will, but I'll not advertise another fish for sale until I have some quality fish to sell...which should be right about the time I'm ready to show!
Now I need to experiment and find the best way to make home-made Oil of Cloves...
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